Curse

Field · Oct 22, 2009, 11:57 AM // 11:57

Im used to playing prophecies and only using henchmen.
And picked up all the expansions only a few days ago so im kinda new to the hero system.
The hero system is really cool, but after a while in the Nightfall campaign i somehow entered the
Eye of the North quest line and got 2 lvl20 heroes.
That plus the lvl20 mox, i now have 3 lvl20s in my party at lvl10.

So the question is; are there any downsides to using heroes that are 10 levels above you?
like less xp for kills or something.

Riot Narita · Oct 22, 2009, 12:31 PM // 12:31

I don't think there's any downside. In Eye of the North you are treated as a level20 anyway. And by the way, you may also have access to the Fire Imp Summoning Stone - type /bonus and abuse that sucker as well (until you're level 20).

You can go back to Nightfall/Cantha/Prophecies with your heroes and Imp... and they will stomp everything while you do nothing. If there's a downside, that's it - they are too powerful, it removes the challenge/fun from low-level areas... and you don't learn much by simply leading the party to enemies and watching the slaughter.

Field · Oct 22, 2009, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Thanks for the reply. I guess i could use them on harder missions.
Sounds kinda boring to just slaughter your way through everything, unless you just want to rush through the game asap.

BrettM · Oct 22, 2009, 01:41 PM // 13:41

Keep several things in mind before you run off thinking you're going to slaughter everything without effort just because of the heroes:

1. Even the EotN heroes do not come with great gear, though they are level 20. They will need weapons, insignia, and runes to really perform well, just like the NF heroes.

2. Heroes, whether from NF or EotN, do not come with a huge selection of skills, nor do they come with any elite skills. Unless you've unlocked a bunch of skills with Balthazar faction or have purchased skill unlock packs, it's going to take you a while to obtain the skills to build really good bars for your heroes.

3. Nightfall quests and missions were designed with heroes in mind. By the time you get to Kourna, your NF heroes should be level 20 or very close, so the EotN heroes provide no special advantage that will make NF easier.

Eragon Zarroc · Oct 22, 2009, 02:32 PM // 14:32

the only down side that i can think of is that since those heros are already lvl 20, u will never want to use ur other heros. if you dont use ur other heros, they wont lvl. if your not careful, u'll end up going through life with only a handful of heros that are lvl 20, and they are only lvl 20 because they came that way. be sure to try and get ur non-lvl 20 heros experience. maybe bring just one with u that is not lvl 20 when adventuring. (once you yourself is lvl 20

) another way to ensure that lower lvl heros gain experience is to always add them to ur party when u take quest rewards, then u can switch back to your high lvl ones for fighting.

Field · Oct 22, 2009, 03:09 PM // 15:09

So i guess there are downsides then =)
I picked up Vekk cause he seem to do alot of damage with his spells,
and left the other 2 slots for the lower level heroes.

BrettM · Oct 22, 2009, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

the only down side that i can think of is that since those heros are already lvl 20, u will never want to use ur other heros. if you dont use ur other heros, they wont lvl.

It's going to be very hard not to use Koss, Melonni, Dunkoro, Tahlkora, Zhed, Margid, Master of Whispers or General Morgahn, since they are all required for various missions and quests in Nightfall. It would be best to use them as you go through Nightfall so they do have a chance to level before you really need them, rather than relying on the EotN heroes with the same professions.

I don't think having a level 20 monk and ele is going to discourage anyone from using other heroes. There are many good hero team combinations available, and I don't think many people have a problem leveling up the heroes needed to create these teams. It isn't terribly hard to level up heroes, especially if you use XP scrolls.

Windf0rce · Oct 22, 2009, 05:29 PM // 17:29

One quick hint about leveling up Heroes that lots of people seem to forget: Heroes gain XP from quest rewards that you accept. So before accepting any rewards, kick Level 20 Heroes and put the lower level ones. Often you'll see them gain levels from quest XP.

SpiritSpammer · Oct 22, 2009, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Windf0rce

One quick hint about leveling up Heroes that lots of people seem to forget: Heroes gain XP from quest rewards that you accept. So before accepting any rewards, kick Level 20 Heroes and put the lower level ones. Often you'll see them gain levels from quest XP.

OMG! dont know why i didnt think of that.

Field · Oct 22, 2009, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Yea thats usually how they level up when i play atleast.
Do they get xp for quests that you complete in towns though?

Even if they arent physically there, they are still in your party

subarucar · Oct 22, 2009, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Field

Yea thats usually how they level up when i play atleast.
Do they get xp for quests that you complete in towns though?

Even if they arent physically there, they are still in your party

Yes. That was his original point. Kick yor level 20 heroes, add in lower level ones and then talk to the guy for the reward. As long as they are in your party they gain exp.

BrettM · Oct 22, 2009, 07:21 PM // 19:21

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Originally Posted by Field

Do they get xp for quests that you complete in towns though?

Yes, they do. In fact, it can be very helpful to use rewards obtained in an outpost for leveling heroes that you did NOT actually use to do the quests. Use your level 20 heroes to complete a quest, return to town, kick them, add your lower-level heroes, then accept the quest reward.

SpiritSpammer · Oct 22, 2009, 08:05 PM // 20:05

what about if i you get a run. say like COF runs. when you return can you leave the group add heros and it still works?

Perfected Shadow · Oct 23, 2009, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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what about if i you get a run. say like COF runs. when you return can you leave the group add heros and it still works?

Yes, any quest that you complete regardless of who was in the party can be turned in when you have heroes with you so they gain the full exp.

Field · Oct 23, 2009, 02:17 PM // 14:17

Wow, thats handy